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Post by Prime on Feb 3, 2009 14:58:52 GMT -5
Didn't Abra become a member when they all teamed up with Inertia. I thought he just made a temporary alliance with them but then found himself on the run with them and then in Salvation Run with them...not positive though.
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kelson
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Post by kelson on Feb 3, 2009 15:32:15 GMT -5
I am curious about exactly whenand how Abra Kadabra became an accepted member of the Rogues... They all used absolutely hate him. And it's difficult to blame them for it. The change seems to have happened behind the scenes before TFMA series. I don't think it makes any sense, though, and would be happy if it was ignored in the future. Yeah, it made very little sense. Something else that was different about Kadabra in that series was that he worked with a gang. He never worked with a gang before. They'd steal his spotlight. Working with other villains would be worse. He only started working with others half-way through Wally's series (Race Against Time), and by then he was totally insane and his desire for revenge probably overwhelmed his desire for attention. I kind of explain it away in my head that Kadabra has sort of lost his way and fallen on hard times. So he hired minions to help him, and when that didn't last, he joined up with the Rogues. But that only takes care of Kadabra's motivation: it still doesn't explain why the Rogues are willing to work with him.
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Post by papazero on Feb 3, 2009 16:42:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it made very little sense. Something else that was different about Kadabra in that series was that he worked with a gang. He never worked with a gang before. They'd steal his spotlight. Working with other villains would be worse. He only started working with others half-way through Wally's series (Race Against Time), and by then he was totally insane and his desire for revenge probably overwhelmed his desire for attention. I kind of explain it away in my head that Kadabra has sort of lost his way and fallen on hard times. So he hired minions to help him, and when that didn't last, he joined up with the Rogues. But that only takes care of Kadabra's motivation: it still doesn't explain why the Rogues are willing to work with him. Somehow I feel a little better knowing that it was a character non sequitur that others recognize than thinking that I'm that out of touch... of course I'm willing to accept Abra Kadabra as a Rogue if they flesh out these relationships and bygones a bit more. I think the Rogues need all the help they can get. Whether youre a fan of Jay, Barry, Wally, or Bart we can probably all agree that there is no hero or villian that can hold a candle to the power of Flash.
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dillonmania
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Post by dillonmania on Feb 3, 2009 20:03:09 GMT -5
of course I'm willing to accept Abra Kadabra as a Rogue if they flesh out these relationships and bygones a bit more. I think the Rogues need all the help they can get. It would make more sense if they didn't have a recent history of alienating other Rogues they don't like --- but they kicked out (and later killed) the Top when he went to hang out with them, and were fairly leery of letting Piper and Trickster hang out. Certainly they had good reasons for this, but they'd also have good reason to kick out Kadabra too. At least they have a history of friendship/teaming up with Top, Piper, and Trickster, and none at all with Kadabra.
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Post by Kuhan on Feb 4, 2009 22:57:45 GMT -5
well, wasn't Zoom a rogue? Not Thawne (Professor Zoom) I mean Zolomon (Zoom)
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dillonmania
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Post by dillonmania on Feb 5, 2009 1:52:03 GMT -5
well, wasn't Zoom a rogue? Not Thawne (Professor Zoom) I mean Zolomon (Zoom) No, he hates them (for obvious reasons, since he used to be a cop and Rogue profiler).
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Post by momoney433 on Feb 5, 2009 10:54:42 GMT -5
Yeah Zoom just wanted to make Wally bbbbeettteeerrrr
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Post by Prime on Feb 5, 2009 18:03:27 GMT -5
As stated in Rogue War I think, Zoom explained that the Rogues were a nuisance and that they disrupted Wally's growth. They weren't doing bad things to help him like Hunter was.
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Post by savitar on May 6, 2009 15:40:32 GMT -5
Based just on the Rogues group, I'll show some luv for good ol' Digger.
He's the first Flash villain I ever knew of when I first discovered the Flash many moons ago. I liked his role in the Suicide Squad of the 80s. The events leading up to his death and that encounter with Jack Drake were the real highlight and emotional core of Identity Crisis for me. I like his son but I think he's been poorly used and under-developed.
Of current Rogues, I have to go with Cold. I'd heard of how Johns had improved all of their characters (as such) during his run and finally I witnessed it in the Rogues Revenge mini. He was brutal, merciless, and...well, cold. Loved it.
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Post by michaelheide on Sept 17, 2009 6:54:31 GMT -5
Mirror Master III. Especially when written by Morrison.
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crimsonmoonmist
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Post by crimsonmoonmist on Jan 8, 2010 16:36:11 GMT -5
Trickster I, i dunno, he just kinda stuck out from the other guys for me.
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Post by toast960 on Mar 3, 2010 6:58:23 GMT -5
Captain Cold. He has become the sheer definition of bad-a**
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Post by projectile on Mar 21, 2010 20:40:50 GMT -5
I would say my favorite rogue would be Heatwave.
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Speedster
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Post by Speedster on Apr 18, 2010 15:57:03 GMT -5
Who is your favorite all time Rogue? I'd have to say mine is Heat Wave. His pyromania is interesting and I love the fact that he really needs the Rogues to keep himself somewhat sane. Did enjoy his reformed arc though. I don't think he's an actual part of the gallery, but I kinda like Grodd cause of the DCAU Justice League cartoons.
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Post by Prime on Apr 18, 2010 17:56:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Grodd was awesome in JLU. Loved how Luthor got rid of him though. Pure bad ass.
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