papazero
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Post by papazero on Aug 27, 2009 22:20:49 GMT -5
I'm still a bit confused as to why the original Black Flash is dead? Did Thawne kill him? Was he killed due to the Speed Force being corrupted? It wasn't made quite clear. Yeah, one of a thousand questions I had when I read the preview. The scene seemed to generate fuel for 6 more issues of Rebirth - but I would prefer it were more about The Flash and all of the orbiting characters than patching holes in plot. I do think the characterization of Thawne was great though... I don't think he will be permanently put down in Rebirth - more likely he will be "trapped" for a time until the next epic confrontation.
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papazero
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Post by papazero on Aug 27, 2009 22:43:17 GMT -5
In comics? Hell yes (sadly) He wouldn't have to believe himself evil. Under this (admittedly shaky) theory, his own inherent darkness/badness/whatever would simply be corrupting the Speed Force and creating an opposite number. It's essentially playing on the idea of an evil twin, which already existed in the very concept of a 'Reverse Flash'. But yes, it would be hokier, I agree. I didn't say I like the idea, just that it seems plausible and it has precedent!
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Post by FlashGL78 on Aug 30, 2009 22:37:39 GMT -5
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Post by yranigami7 on Sept 3, 2009 1:21:51 GMT -5
In this issue (#4), Max sez he didn't have anyone to anchor him back from the speedforce.. Doesn't Max have a daughter, and couldn't she have been his "anchor?" How about Bart, he was like a Father to him!
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Post by FlashGL78 on Sept 3, 2009 7:57:20 GMT -5
That's what Barry said. Max was like Bart's father. So he is family and Barry isn't leaving family behind. Max was speaking in terms of a wife.
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Post by West on Sept 3, 2009 14:47:49 GMT -5
Can someone explain if we know why it was necessary for Barry's parents to be killed in order for Thawne to create this negative speed force? Because it just seems like a bad plot device.
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Post by Prime on Sept 3, 2009 15:55:15 GMT -5
Can someone explain if we know why it was necessary for Barry's parents to be killed in order for Thawne to create this negative speed force? Because it just seems like a bad plot device. Agreed, unless there's still more to that left in Rebirth.
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Gen200
Speedster in Training
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Post by Gen200 on Sept 3, 2009 17:04:10 GMT -5
Well, Eobard is trying to ruin Barry's life "in more ways than you could ever imagine, Mr. Garrick". I think he's behind Barry's mother's death, among other things, and that will be brought up in the ongoing.
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savitar
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Post by savitar on Sept 4, 2009 15:35:42 GMT -5
First off, this is my Zoom; diabolic, cruel, and psychotic as hell. Yes, imprisoned, banished, or trapped, I hope he survives this mini because he has truly transcended into Barry's real nemesis now. This issue had some great moments and scenes throughout. The fight between Jay & Bart and Thawne was wonderfully executed ('Professor Plum' indeed ) Based on Johns' previous records in such events, for a moment there, I actually thought Thawne was going to kill either or both of the twins. Great suspense and tension there. The new revelations about the speed force were intriguing but it also felt incomplete. It leaves me with the notion that Barry is/was a meta-human and that instead of being tied into the speed force via his accident, the lightning bolt and chemical bath instead simply activated his power, a power that other speedsters can draw energy from. (I do like the set-up with the time barrier and thus how speedsters through-out history can draw from it) As for positive and negative, whereas Barry just learned of his new role and power, Thawne is most definitely controlling and influencing the energy. I wonder if this means we'll see more dark-side speedsters........ A great issue that leaves me wanting to see what's next. (As an aside, given all these wonderful splash pages by Scriver so far in this mini, I sincerely hope that some of these scenes will eventually be released as posters. They are truly incredible.)
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Post by yranigami7 on Sept 4, 2009 19:10:53 GMT -5
I just really hope that this alternate past of Barry can be undone... I don't accept the idea that "this Barry", with the dark origin, can distinguish himself in lieu of Batman, Superman and other similar tragic origin stories. THE WHOLE DAMN REASON I LIKED THE FLASH IS BECAUSE NONE OF THEM HAD A ***DAMN "TRAGIC" ORIGIN! (excuse my language.)
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Post by Prime on Sept 7, 2009 20:00:05 GMT -5
I just really hope that this alternate past of Barry can be undone... I don't accept the idea that "this Barry", with the dark origin, can distinguish himself in lieu of Batman, Superman and other similar tragic origin stories. THE WHOLE DAMN REASON I LIKED THE FLASH IS BECAUSE NONE OF THEM HAD A ***DAMN "TRAGIC" ORIGIN! (excuse my language.) I agree. I don't think the whole tragic past thing really works for Barry. Batman...hell it's one of the reasons Batman is Batman but I don't know, it just doesn't feel right with Flash.
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Post by barryallen28 on Sept 11, 2009 22:32:48 GMT -5
1: Like gen200 was saying, prof. zoom is probably responsoble for barry's mother's death. Geoff Johns definitly started setting up bridges for stories to come such as bringing prof zoom back. 2: Johns also had said before that him and sciver had wanted to do to the flash what they had done to green lantern, and as far as i can tell they are doing a spot on job. So prof. zoom will definitely not die again, but he will instead probably be held away somehow in defeat after rebirth #6 & then he will come back into play sometime during the barry allen series(like sinestro did for sinestro corps war) 3: I love savitar was saying about some dark-side speedsters. It is probably exactly what will happen. And i say this because like i was saying b4 about geoff building bridges, i think thats exactly what he was trying to set up- A REVERSE FLASH WAR against the flashes(and max) 4: I hate how both of the twins have powers! i always thought that was a bad idea. stupid. stupid. stupid! So hopefully zoom will take their powers and let them live as normal kids and take some of the stress off wally so he can get back to normal super-hero
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Gen200
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Post by Gen200 on Oct 1, 2009 18:48:54 GMT -5
4: I hate how both of the twins have powers! i always thought that was a bad idea. stupid. stupid. stupid! So hopefully zoom will take their powers and let them live as normal kids and take some of the stress off wally so he can get back to normal super-hero It's called consistency. Don and Dawn had super speed at birth, Bart had super speed at birth, Jenni had super speed at birth. Why would the twins not have super speed?
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co2010
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